Frequent commenter JHC made a comment yesterday when the discussion of trilogies came up during my post about Indiana Jones. He made the comment that all first movies are the best. I immediately had to speak to him about this as I was horrified. The first movies the best? That couldn't be! You see, it's been my opinion for quite a while that the SECOND movie in the trilogy is always the best (and yes, I do realize some of these aren't trilogies anymore, but they were at the time so shove it). Friends have immediately declared I was on crack when I have stated my opinion. That may be so, but I still think I am right anyways. When I formulated my theory a lot of these movies were trilogies, so please don't point out there are more than 3 Die Hard's. At the time, the 3rd one was supposed to be the last but some people can't leave well enough alone. Without further ado:
Godfather Part 2 - I remember seeing the Godfather Part 1 for the first time when I was about 12. I had to cover my eyes during they dead horsey part, but everything else was fair game. I didn't really understand it at the time being that I didn't really understand the inner workings of the Italian mafia in New York City in the mid-century, but I did see it again when I was about 19 and loved every second of it. The one critique I had of it was that it glorified a lifestyle that exploited honest people and honest workers. The emphasis of the movie was on the relatable inner-workings of the Corleone family, and the impact of their relationships with everyone. The result of this made me sympathetic with murderers, and that didn't settle all that well with me.
Now cut to the Godfather 2. Here we meet Michael again at the height of his power. He has a family, and a wealthy empire built on casinos, deceit, you know, murder. He stopped at nothing to get there, sacrificing all that truly mattered in this world to get there. In this movie you don't see an all powerful crime lord, but rather just a man who hates who he is and ultimately ends up alone at the end for the choices he has made in his life. Intertwined with Michael's fall from success shots of Vito's rise to power showing us the differences in the man Vito was and the man Michael has become. These are my favorite scenes, not only in this movie, but in any movie.
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Long before The Return of the King came out, I read that The Academy was waiting to give Jackson the Oscar for Best Direction until the final movie of the trilogy came out. I remember watching The Two Towers in the theater and being transfixed. Despite the epic battle scene in the 3rd, The Two Towers is the movie about war. I saw it 3 times in the theater--a compliment I only afforded to Jurassic Park when it came out. Everything about the battle scene was perfection. It's good vs. evil in its finest form. For every honest man or elf, there is an evil orc with a personality of its own. The shot of Gandolf coming over the hill at the end is my favorite scene in any movie ever. If you didn't get chills watching it, then you're just not human. Maybe you're an orc? OMG stop reading my blog!
Back to the Future - I can't even tell you how much I want a hoverboard. I'm not even lying. Everything about this movie was great. The self hydrating pizzas, the fashion choices (self drying coats, self shoe-lace tying sneakers, hypercolor hats), Cafe 80's (oh the irony!). It had everything Back to the Future had, but more fun props and I loved it for it. And I'm still waiting for hoverboard technology to come out.
Terminator 2 - This one I can't even imagine anyone arguing me with. It's by far the superior movie in terms of suspense and story line. It comes with a total mind fuck too which leaves you utterly depressed at the end. No matter how hard we try to change our future, we can't. It's a scary thought to be faces with not only our own mortality, but the possible extinction of the human race. I remember being so relieved when 1998 hit and it turned out the movie wasn't prophetic....or was it? dum Dum DUM. (ok, I know)
Die Hard 2 - Yippy Kay Yay...Motherfucker. 'Nuf said.
Empire Strikes Back - It's darker than Star Wars, but doesn't have the ewoks of Jedi, but it's still my favorite. We're introduced back to Luke and Co immediately as the story begins being that we no longer need the initial character development needed in the first movie. Star Wars was great, but a little too happy go lucky with little struggle if you ask me. I mean, the only one that dies is fucking Obi Wan and he was like Father Time anyways. The actors feel more at ease in this film and I can't even tell you how much I enjoy Han Solo in this movie. Jedi is my 2nd favorite, mainly because of the ewoks and the coupling up of Han and Leia, but it still doesn't compare to Empire.
Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest - OK OK, this might not be everyone's favorite, but I remember sorta liking the first and not really understanding what was going on in the 3rd. The 2nd one was the only one that had me from beginning to end. None of these movies had great storylines, and really aren't my favorite movies to watch on TBS on a Sunday, but of the 3, I found Dead Man's Chest more entertaining, darker, and an even more lovable Jack Sparrow.
Look, I can go on all day about these movies, but I got shit to do, so I'm going to let the comment section take over. I do have some exceptions, like The Matrix and Indiana Jones, but for the most part I find my theory to hold true (please, I know what the definition of a theory is). Let's have at it.
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Didn't the characters in Scream 2 have this exact conversation?
I'd also make an argument, based on Final Destination 3, that the third entry is the best.
Or maybe Final Destination 3 just rocked my cock socks.
NO MAN. That shit with the car accident was the balls. The roller coaster scene sucked.
I vaguely remember that conversation, but didn't watch the movie too much (wasn't Scream a trilogy?)
Hands down back to the future part 2 was the best.
Finally!
gotta say, while empire was great, the leia/han thing trumps it all for me. mmm han solo. mmm indiana jones.
i vaguely wish that i didn't have to work so i could go on a marathon sesh. of harrison ford movies, of course!
I think there are of total 3 people in my office today. These are the best days to work.
It really is a shame to see someone in the prime of their life destroyed by crack.
Because if you honestly think that Die Hard 2, Terminator 2, Back the Future 2 and PoTC 2 are the superior movies, well... that's the only reason I can come up with.
Honey, you need to recognize your problem and get help for it, before it's too late.
Clearly you just have poor taste. And leave my crack out of this.
don't usually comment here, but i had to put my two cents in on this one
Die Hard 2?!?! Easily the worst of the Trilogy (fourth didn't count). I mean, seriously? The first one had Carl Winslow! Carl FUCKING Winslow.
And he throws Alan Rickman off a building!
What about With A Vengence? He gets Samuel L. as a sidekick! Samuel motherfucking L. Plus its in NYC, which is always a plus.
Saying Die hard 2 is the best is a travesty!
(but dead on with the other ones)
there are three people here too but that's still 3 too many to have a harrison sesh. if only i had a door...
Meg, dear, there's no goddamn way that Die Hard 2 is better than With A Vengeance. In fact, I would go so far as to say 2 was the worst of the 3 (haven't seen the fourth, but it's fucking PG-13, so it's dead to me).
My vote's with you on Die Hard 2 but second the crackhead sentiment as to Back to the Future 2. Original was classic and the two sequels are fucking abominations. Fine, sweet hoverboard, but nothing forgives the nightmare plot about Biff and the sportsbook and the hideously over-the-top performances. One of those sequels that almost ruins the original.
Your Godfather II take, though, was also spot on. Also vote for Evil Dead 2.
I haven't watched these movies in FAR too long.
Now I have the desire to spend the rest of this rainy weekend in bed, watching trilogies and taking notes on which one I liked best.
Alas, I have an "in town for the weekend" visitor, so this probably won't happen unless I tie him to the bed. SO really...
wishmewell-
You're saying the dad from Family Matters and the guy who thought Snakes on a Plane was a good movie choice is the reasons why Die Hard 2 sucks? I...I don't have any response to that. I also like Alan Rickman thankyouverymuch and was kinda sad when he fell.
vittoria-
The two people who were there left before me, so technically I had to "work late"
crimenotes-
DUDE, HYPERCOLOR HATS. You can also see from the length of entry I feel pretty strongly that Godfather 2 is the best. So I guess I'll take this comment.
JenBun-
OK you need to watch all of these now. If you can't have a belligerent argument with me drunk at a bar about my theory, you need to watch them again.
You make a strong case with Godfather 2, which is clearly the best of the 3. I couldn't possibly argue with you on this statement.
Then you mention The Two Towers, which was nerdy goodness to be sure, but it's debatable if it's the best of the 3. At worst, it's second best. You should have stopped there because then your theory goes to hell in a handbasket when you try to run with Back To The Future 2.
Not only was it bad, it's one of the worst sequels in movie history. I'd put it on par with Speed 2: Collision Course (not a trilogy, no, but it's a perfect example of my next point). It's not a movie at all, but a road to nowhere. Gadgets are great, but there's no story here. This is the problem with most sequels, and virtually every "2nd" movie in a trilogy. They made a good to great first film, the studio wants more, they throw shit tons of lettuce at them, so they make another. They often start shooting without a finished script. Die Hard 2? Really? You don't even believe that shit yourself, as evidenced by the fact that you misappropriated a quote from Die Hard to your argument that Die Harder (yes, really) was superior. Pirates of the Carribean 2 was shit, pure, unadulterated, shit. They made a 3 hour movie about pirates, starring Johhny Depp, and it had no charm, no humor, and no heart. It was like the actors didn't even know the cameras were rolling half the time. I swear there's a scene with Knightley in the background thumbing away on her Blackberry. Bad movie, bad theory, but you're a good girl just the same.
I could list 10 examples that further disprove your theory, but it's superfluous, since 1) you already did it yourself, and 2) I believe you're referring specifically to trilogies that had the same director for all 3 films.
(you wear swimcaps for photoshoots)
Bad movie, bad theory
Dude, Johnny Depp getting swallowed by a giant octopus could totally happen.
I was going to leave a comment but everyone's viciousness regarding this post is a bit scary. However, I am not a smart person so I throw myself into the fray.
I will say that Two Towers provides a nice segway into the brillance that is Return of the King and Pirates could have stopped with the first but greed and the studios need to beat us over the head with superfluous merchandise won out over sense. Also, there is a tiny bit of genious hidden in Back To The Future 2 when they have to go back to the 60's to save themselves again, but not enough to make up for the ridiculous future gadgets (except for the hoverboard... totally want one of those.) And Die Hard With A Vengence is just all kinds of awesome since Jeremy Irons makes a kick-ass German villan.
Never seen the Godfather movies. I know, crucify me now.
Glad you pointed out the Matrix not fitting into your theory. What about Jaws? Spiderman? Mission Impossible? The Bourne movies?
Nah, it's not viciousness, just passion. If you can't argue about things you love, what are we all here for?
I would have mentioned many more trilogies too, but she's only talking about ones that were all helmed by the same director, so among those you mentioned, only Spider-Man would qualify (1 was great, 2 was ok, 3 was horrific).
Also, go watch the freaking Godfather movies (you can stop after 2). Seriously.
God, what do you just read all the time? Bor-ing.
I know, I know. You are not the first to order me to do this. But somehow I can't make myself watch them. Fear of fat Brando or something.
And I don't JUST read. I also sit and stare into space for long periods of time thinking of how I really should be watching the Godfather movies.
I would add Lethal Weapon 2 as being better than the first despite the lack of Gary Busey.
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